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Tak to u me nehrozi ; )
tak bud tomu spatne rozumim, nebo tomu nerozumim - zrusime molocha gc.com a zalozime system novy, lepsi, v podstate uplne stejny? ale nezavisly! jasne! ted jeste v cem ta nezavislost bude konkretneji spocivat ?
tezko rict, v podstate asi muzou. ale troufam si odhadovat, ze takovy krok by se jim nemohl moc vyplatit, a tudiz ho spis neudelaji. a i kdyby, pak nastane ten pravy cas pro “open” nezavisle registry a servery. (a k tomu, ziskat celou databazi “nasich” caches, ktera by po rozvodu zustala gc.com, staci pak jeden odvazlivec, ktery se registruje v ramci diverzni akce …) // nicmene proc vyvoj predbihat? treba nakonec pobezi jinudy 
It is perfectly clear. 
From my very personal point of view, the situation you describe (having to check two or more cache listing sites) CAN not be solved as long as it is a company that “owns” the cache descriptions and not the community or the cache owners.
It is a company’s right to make money from their business, and its our right to share our work (caches, descriptions) for free if we wish to do so. I am a paying “member” of Groundspeak myself, but I do not have the impression that my wishes or those of the European caching communities are very well respected or very high on the priority list (that’s probably also the reason for singel-state listing-sites like the ones in Slovakia, Hungary and Russia).
If you take the slovaking listing site as an example: By simply restructuring their cache database to a form similar to that of oc.de, they could restart with a slovak language interface PLUS 5000 caches already in the beginning (lots of them very close to Bratislava).
Regards,
BalkanSabranje
Proč?
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Why you consider gc.com not enough free? Registration is free, you can place and publish as many caches as you want, you can write as many logs as you want…what more you would like?
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The gc.com server serves more than 200 000 caches and has very strong traffic. If you want to cover similar number of caches with opencaching.com, you cannot maintain such servers absolutely free, if you are not extremely altruistic millionaire. The voluntary premium member fee is an elegant way to obtain the needed money.
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I think (and I have a strong opinion
the logins and registrations at gc.com is a good manner. It prevents, although not 100% reliably, the cache logs from spams and offtopic posts.
Well, there is no chance of getting data from gc.com (on a legal basis) without paying. Therefore, there is practically no way of producing legal statistics or maps. And I do not like offering my internet habits to a company by constantly having to log in to see my own data.
I am not a technician, but the guys from oc.de seem to have a server and data construction (not windows-based, of course) that induces a lot less traffic than the gc.com cache description (speaking of traffic per cache).
From what I see, the only restriction is in changing the cache type and major changes in cache description. All other changes can be easily done by the cache owner after approval of the cache. Furthermore, there is no control at all concerning logs and their contents at gc.com.
Hih , ty umis i cesky? Tak proc se tu s tebou bavi vseci anglicky???
No, sorry.
Because I only have a dictionary - we don’t really speak (or write) czech, just some bosnian and slovene.
Happy New Year,
BalkanSabranje
After two years of very “intensive” geocaching I have no problem with gc.com… I know that it’s not perfect, but it works pretty well in 99% of cases and situations. Finally, I love one “central” & international cache registering and logging system, covering practically whole Earth . This is a really fantastic feature and creates from geocaching true “no-border” outdoor activity. So, for me and our family team there is no need for “independent” or “free” geocaching site. Personally, I am not feeling some “strong” or really important limitations from Groundspeak…
Dorcadion + 3 geogirls
I am absolutelly agreed. I am investing time and money to create new caches, why should I do it for a profit of private company? But OK, it is not the main thing. But if I and only I am creating my caches, why it should be censored by somebody who is giving me nothing? Yes, capacity of the server, but this capacity ownself has no value. When I am creating my own web pages, I can use endless number of free servers without any disturbing rules and without censors (reviewers). I want the same freedom - create and publish caches completelly by myself.
Happy New Year BS,
I was looking at oc.com back in 2003 when it first appeared. It looked like a nice idea: a meta listing site, aggregating the cache and log data from other listing sites. At that time, we had gc.com with regular server performance problems and Navicache, which had some popularity in a few regions and some crosslisted listings in the rest of the world.
As expected, GC was not willing to give away the data (honestly, I don’t even know if the OC folks tried to work out some agreement) and Navicache also realized that they don’t really have a license from their users their users to redistribute the data, so the OC project died for some time. Now it has reappeared as oc.de - great, so now we have gc.com (performance ok in the last year), Navicache (which looks pretty much the same as 3 years ago), TerraCaching (a private club, invite-only membership), gpsgames.org and oc.de.
Should I list my cache on all of these sites to get more audience? I tried listing two of my caches on NC, never got a log there which wouldn’t have been a copy of a gc.com log. It doesn’t seem to justify the additional maintenance of multiple listing.
Sure, it is cool to have a site which is not subject to amerikanische Rechts- und Moralempfinden… just wondering what is the difference: if you look into OC FAQ and hiding guide, you will find all the stuff you know from gc.com guidelines - “Bitte vergrabe den Cache nicht”, “Alkohol, Drogen, Explosivstoffe, Messer” etc. are forbidden here as well, you have to obtain a permission when hiding a cache at Privatgrund, the only thing I am missing is a rule against commercial caches. Doesn’t looks like a big cultural clash.
Well, as written by other posters, we already have geocaching.cz with maps and statistics, and the regional sites like gc.cz and gc.de are being tolerated by Groundspeak - so unless there are some drastic steps like Disney buying gc.com and cutting off the access, I don’t think there would be much pressure to move.
Haggaeus, your friendly neighborhood censor
To be exact and explicit: I had NEVER real problem with Haggaeus and thanks him for all his advices. But censorship it is a principal point for me, simply I hate it. And I want to make some “adult” caches - with some bottles of wine for FTF, maybe porno-theme caches and so on. Maybe to drink a glass of wine is a horrible thing for US citizen but Europeans are a little bit robust, at least as I hope.
Protože http://www.geocaching.cz/Vlakno.aspx?id=8815#8815.
Zde je to řečeno naprosto přesně. Cítím to stejně, ač jsem zatím “kešoval” jen v Česku a pouze příležitostně (od dubna 2005 cca 160 kousků).
I prefer solution similar to RSS and content aggregators - anybody can create any caches at any web place and publish basic data (location, type, description, hint etc.) at simple XML format. Aggregator sites will poll for registered addresses of XML resources and create maps, lists and other stuff. There is the only problem with logging - but it can be solved. Such XML format can be based on RSS with a little extension.
Jsem si jist, že naprostá většina geocacherů nedělá geocaching kvůli nalezení P-cache nebo lahve vína (na to mám P2P sítě, půjčovny DVD a vinotéky ), ale samozřejmě proti gustu žádný dišputát. Milí geo-Bakuninové, skutečně si založte “open-free-non censored” GC server, zkuste ho spravovat a nalákat lidi na návstěvu takových keší. Ale jak již psal Haggaeus, podobných pokusů bylo více a buďto zkrachovaly rovnou, nebo zanikají na úbytě doteďka.
I doubt that a cache with pornographic contents would be allowed or stay listed longer than a few hours on oc.
Alcohol is something different, of course
Cerntairnly it will NOT be allowed! That’s why I dislike this US-centered-censored solution. If I can make my own web pornosite without any (or any serious) problem, why should I be limited to make similar caches? In fact I am not XXX-fanatic but it is a good illustration for my reasons.
To je - jak prekvapive - prave to, co se tu ted deje. Diskutuje se o tom, jak to udelat.
To já vím :), ale zajímal by mne skutečný zájem a odezva mezi českými geocachery…